pvp-spearmen

ok i played a pvp and i saw that my enemy was training camels at age 2.so i made pearmen.our armys were even in number.still he won.how is that possible?i have pretty good gear at spearmen and even have the first upgrade that upgrades them to spearmen vanguard.if i had not lost this battle i would go for 3rd age prodromos and probably win.i really can;t understand how spearmen who have a bonus versus cavalry lost this battle.
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1 camel > 1 spearman. obviously.

spearmen are 45 f 15 g while camels are 60 f 55 g or something like that, obviously, 1 on 1, spearmen are gonna lose. but it is easier to build a lot of spearmen than a lot of camels.

|||yes but still the description says that spearmen receive a bonus versus cavalry .so on 1 spearman vs 1 camel the spearman should win.for example hippikon costs more than prodromos.however 20 prodromos will win 20 hippikon.so i do not think its about the cost of every unit.
|||spearmen are an age 1 unit though, which handicaps them a bit. I don't know really...
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akis are you dumb?

1 spearmen should never kill 1 camel, just consider the costs.

if you think like that you must also have the opinion that 1 spearmen should kill 1 elephant. thats just stupid

and since his camel army ist 3 times as expensive as your spearmen army its obvious that you did something wrong.

|||first of all never call me dumb again.second spearmen was the only available anti-cavalry unit in age 2.i know they are not as effective as prodromos but i could not train prodromos.oh and by the way elephants are a 3rd age unit so i would make prodromos to counter them.
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Spear units only do 1.5-2.5x damage against cavalry. That's often not meaningful because cavalry have so much health, especially if you are using infantry which have such low base damage to begin with.

If you had built Prods though you would have been hosed. Camals have more health and a much larger cavalry damage bonus.

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you must be dumb if you dont get that a camel cost more than twice the ressources of a spearmen, so you must have a bigger amount of spearmen...

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I will try to explain you.

Camel costs more then twice as much as spearman. So if for example your opponent has 10 camels, you are able to have 20-25 spearmen for even less price. 20 spearmen own 10 camels, ok? And 20 spearmen still cost less then 10 camels. Thats why spearmen counter camels.

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20 spearmen own 10 camels, ok?

Not really. They might win or lose based on upgrades, cards, and positioning, it's definitely not a sure thing.

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Alright, but 30 spearmen will certanly own 10 camels, and will still cost less gold, but more wood (which is the resource that I personally always have plenty of). And I guess 25 spearmen still > 10 camels.

Offtopic: btw, what about hoplites? 1 hoplite cost almost as much as 1 camel. 1 hoplite > 1 camel or no?

|||I am assuming that you really lost due to the other team building an armourerand you never did meaning power wise he was hitting 1-3 more then normal.|||

1 hoplite > 1 camel or no?

Nope. Hoplites only have a 1.5x cavalry damage bonus, 0.2 cavalry armor (20% less damage I think), 12 base damage, and 313 health. Camels have 15.2 base damage and 426 health, but the camel is also age 2 which means it has an age 3 upgrade of another 15% by the time hoplites can be built. So a single camel would beat a single hoplite most of the time, it would be close enough that gear might change that though, and definitely upgrades.
|||where do you get the stats for the cavalry bonus damage? i dont see them in-game which is pretty annoying. always liked this in aoe3.
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http://ageofempiresonline.wikia.com/wiki/Age_of_Empires_Online_Wiki

I'm assuming that's accurate. I think ingame it says like "effective against" or "very effective against" which also tells you.